That left the room when everyone started worshiping a white guy that drove fast cars and told everyone how stupid they were at a volume of 11. With modern Ruby tools, one could even quantify the vitro using some simple semantic textual analysis tooling. On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:41 Rick DeNatale via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Didn’t Matz used to say something like “Ruby is nice, so Rubyists are nice.”
—— Rick DeNatale
On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool.
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?
No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq
I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of the month tool I should replace rake with?
I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years.
Not gonna touch this one either.
-a
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org>
Austin,
My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and terrible for a decent community of programmers.
I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change
fucking name and be less of a dick.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context — probably because he doesn’t like Ryan.
I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
-a
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes, > there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work > similarly to rakes. > > Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks > sake. > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote: > >> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, >> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-( >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < >> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote: >> >>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a >>> condescending term EXECUTABLE. >>> >>> ;) >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler < halostatue@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >>>> does. >>>> >>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe >>>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools >>>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly >>>> unusable). >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>>>> halostatue@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>>>>>> have since it was first released. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ```sh >>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>>>>>> number is >>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>>>> bundle gem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe < atmos@atmos.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of >>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the
wrote: the plugins
>>>>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs >>>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first. >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>> ruby-talk info -- >>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >> ruby-talk info -- >> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... > > ______________________________________________ > ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org > ruby-talk info -- > https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org...
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Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way.
W.
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