On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote:
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool.
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?
No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq
I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of the month tool I should replace rake with?
I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years.
Not gonna touch this one either.
-a
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
Austin,
My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and terrible for a decent community of programmers.
I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the fucking name and be less of a dick.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context — probably because he doesn’t like Ryan.
I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
-a
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes, there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work similarly to rakes.
Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks sake.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a > condescending term EXECUTABLE. > > ;) > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >> does. >> >> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe >> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools >> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly >> unusable). >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>> halostatue@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>> >>>> >>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>>> >>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>>>> have since it was first released. >>>>> >>>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>> >>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>> >>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>>> >>>>> ```sh >>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>>>> number is >>>>> ``` >>>>> >>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>>> >>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>> >>>> >>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>> bundle gem. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>> >>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -a >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of >>>>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>> ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs >>>>>>>> to ensure they come first. >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >> > ______________________________________________ > ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org > ruby-talk info -- > https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org...
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Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way. W. -- There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors.