I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool. Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term? I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years. -a On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
Austin,
My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and terrible for a decent community of programmers.
I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the fucking name and be less of a dick.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context — probably because he doesn’t like Ryan.
I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
-a
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes, there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work similarly to rakes.
Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks sake.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a condescending term EXECUTABLE.
;)
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe does.
If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly unusable).
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is > running vs hyping up old friends projects. > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> > wrote: > >> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >> halostatue@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>> >> >> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >> >> >>> >>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>> >>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>> have since it was first released. >>> >>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>> >>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >> >> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>> >>> ```sh >>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>> number is >>> ``` >>> >>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>> >>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>> >> >> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle >> gem. >> >> >>> >>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>> >>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>> >> >> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >> >> >>> >>> -a >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of >>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>> ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>> >>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps >>>>>> you >>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>> dynamic >>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>> generation, >>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>> >>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>> listed >>>>>> below. >>>>>> >>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Changes: >>>>>> >>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>> >>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs >>>>>> to ensure they come first. >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca >>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>> >>
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