[ruby-talk:444700] The Embarrassing Ruby/Rails Subreddit Chronicles 2025-11-24
Welcome to another edition of the Embarrassing Ruby/Rails Subreddit Chronicles. Attached are screenshots for another embarrassing incident demonstrating the mean/hateful nature of Ruby/Rails subreddit members and how they downvote without first having a nice and loving patient discourse in case of a misunderstanding or an uninformed disagreement. It hit me the other day that the reason I suffer from mean/hateful behaviour in the Ruby/Rails subreddits despite being a 2-time Fukuoka international competition winner (of awards by Matz, the creator of Ruby), a 4-time RubyConf speaker, and a 2-time RailsConf speaker is because they allow in people who are below the minimum bar of professionalism and respectful conduct that is required for hiring in a Software Engineering job at a respectful ethical company. I mean I wouldn't hire any of them in a million years, not just for lack of technical skills, but more importantly for not having the patient loving nice Rubyist personality. So, why do the Ruby/Rails subreddit mods allow in unnice/hateful people who are below the minimum bar of respectful conduct?! This is a negative reflection on the mods just as much as it is on the trash members of the Ruby/Rails subreddits. I say trash because they're no different from trash criminals and drug addicts I'd encounter on the streets in their behaviour. It's not the behaviour of a member of the Software Engineering community, let alone the Ruby/Rails community. In this screenshot, you can see a Ruby subreddit moderator asking for feedback about new rules, which in my opinion are embarrassingly fascist, even if I didn't say that in my comment about them. https://imgur.com/a/yS0W8z9 Here, you can see my response, and how it was immediately downvoted to 0 within 5 minutes of posting, demonstrating the mean hateful non-open-minded unsympathetic nature of Ruby subreddit members (not sympathizing with someone who says they received hateful behaviour means you are a hateful person). https://imgur.com/a/5aExMUF Of course, fascist rules are a red herring. They're a side effect to Ruby subreddit mods holding on to terrorists that they harbour within their group instead of letting them go as explained in this sentence: "If you worry too much about the rules, it means you have the wrong kind of people in the group, and that’s the real problem not being dealt with (eg allowing in haters of Ruby, people who don’t give Ruby the benefit of the doubt in applications that it’s not common in, people who are below the minimum bar of ethical respectful conduct and professionalism, etc…)." Here is my full comment, repeated here textually: "This group allows a lot of hate on Frontend Ruby. It also literally allows people who don’t truly like Ruby or get it to freely discuss JavaScript as better than Ruby while making true Rubyists who understand and appreciate Ruby’s benefits over JavaScript not feel safe in a Ruby group. This automatically renders the group a bad one. Also, I’ve encountered a lot of hateful behavior in this group against anything that’s novel and outside the box of what’s common in the software development community. 15 years ago, Rubyists were open minded about new novel ideas and patiently listened to them without downvoting. In this group today, such ideas get downvoted to zero in a very hateful unintelligent way without giving the poster the benefit of the doubt or even attempting to understand the benefits of what is shared. That discourages Rubyists from sharing new ideas or exploring them in this group in a respectful intelligent open minded manner. I personally make an effort not to downvote anyone, yet to ask questions and facilitate discussions if I disagree with something. In general, rules that are unethical or do not implicitly respect everyone equally only make the group a bad one. Lastly, politics are off-topic. Honestly, this is not a good group if it allows off-topic things while attempting to shift the blame unto the people who are right about the matter. That’s attempting to get out of responsibility, which is also bad. If you don’t understand this, you’re on the wrong side of this. I’m apolitical and don’t vote by choice by the way, so I don’t care to discuss this further because I don’t like discussing politics ever, especially not in a Ruby group not about politics. If you worry too much about the rules, it means you have the wrong kind of people in the group, and that’s the real problem not being dealt with (eg allowing in haters of Ruby, people who don’t give Ruby the benefit of the doubt in applications that it’s not common in, people who are below the minimum bar of ethical respectful conduct and professionalism, etc…). Update: Exhibit A: I have won 2 awards from Matz in very difficult international engineering competitions, and have spoken at RubyConf 4 times, and yet people don’t respect me, discriminate against me and hate me, unintelligently downvoting my posts out of hate and discrimination not for any intelligent reasons. Of course, this behavior is only an indirect reflection on the mods allowing hateful disrespectful people into a Ruby group without respecting the Ruby luminaries of the Ruby community. I was respected more 10-15 years ago when I wasn’t a very well accomplished Ruby Software Engineer back then because the Ruby group was run better back then." Blog post edition for sharing: https://andymaleh.blogspot.com/2025/11/the-embarrassing-rubyrails-subreddit....
On Nov 24, 2025, at 10:57, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
It hit me the other day that the reason I suffer from mean/hateful behaviour in the Ruby/Rails subreddits despite [needless bragging] is because they allow in people who are below the minimum bar of professionalism and respectful conduct that is required for hiring in a Software Engineering job at a respectful ethical company. I mean I wouldn't hire any of them in a million years, not just for lack of technical skills, but more importantly for not having the patient loving nice Rubyist personality.
Oh, you poor poor victim... This you? https://ml.ruby-lang.org/archives/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/message/CW...
Ashrut, what made you add this reply to my post thread even though it is unrelated to the topic at hand, which is Rails View Components? You could have just created a new post if you were sincere about your message. Do you not have any manners or respect for post authors, and yet you expect to get help? It is obvious you were lying and trying to sabotage my post (while feigning friendliness to try to make it tougher to call you out), meaning you are a troll who trolls posts by people you discriminate against and hate, probably to benefit other people who hate me and discriminate against me. Are all people in India bad mannered like you and discriminate against others by trolling them or is it just you? You realize you are giving a bad name to your country with this move, right! Do you have no shame or self respect, or love for your own heritage? You do not encourage a world of respect among Software Engineering professionals with your disrespectful behavior.
Is this above your minimum bar of professionalism? Respectful conduct? Patient? Loving? Or is it "mean/hateful behaviour": an undeserved and uncalled for racist tirade against a total newbie who simply didn't know mailing list etiquette? Double standard, much? Maybe the moderators on reddit are familiar with your antics.
Perhaps not a constructive reply, Ryan On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 3:02 PM Ryan Davis via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
On Nov 24, 2025, at 10:57, Andy Maleh via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
It hit me the other day that the reason I suffer from mean/hateful behaviour in the Ruby/Rails subreddits despite [needless bragging] is because they allow in people who are below the minimum bar of professionalism and respectful conduct that is required for hiring in a Software Engineering job at a respectful ethical company. I mean I wouldn't hire any of them in a million years, not just for lack of technical skills, but more importantly for not having the patient loving nice Rubyist personality.
Oh, you poor poor victim...
This you?
https://ml.ruby-lang.org/archives/list/ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org/message/CW...
Ashrut, what made you add this reply to my post thread even though it is unrelated to the topic at hand, which is Rails View Components? You could have just created a new post if you were sincere about your message. Do you not have any manners or respect for post authors, and yet you expect to get help? It is obvious you were lying and trying to sabotage my post (while feigning friendliness to try to make it tougher to call you out), meaning you are a troll who trolls posts by people you discriminate against and hate, probably to benefit other people who hate me and discriminate against me. Are all people in India bad mannered like you and discriminate against others by trolling them or is it just you? You realize you are giving a bad name to your country with this move, right! Do you have no shame or self respect, or love for your own heritage? You do not encourage a world of respect among Software Engineering professionals with your disrespectful behavior.
Is this above your minimum bar of professionalism? Respectful conduct? Patient? Loving? Or is it "mean/hateful behaviour": an undeserved and uncalled for racist tirade against a total newbie who simply didn't know mailing list etiquette? Double standard, much? Maybe the moderators on reddit are familiar with your antics.
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Your post contains content that doesn't align with the this mailing list. Please read https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/ again and take a moment to calm down. If you continue to do this, I will BAN you.
OK, I am sorry Hiroshi SHIBATA. I will avoid posting non-technical Ruby posts in this mailing lists in the future. Andy Maleh On Tue, Nov 25, 2025 at 5:20 AM Hiroshi SHIBATA via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Your post contains content that doesn't align with the this mailing list. Please read https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/ again and take a moment to calm down.
If you continue to do this, I will BAN you. ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org...
Hiroshi... not a good look, my man! On Tue, Nov 25, 2025 at 1:31 AM Hiroshi SHIBATA via ruby-talk < ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Your post contains content that doesn't align with the this mailing list. Please read https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/ again and take a moment to calm down.
If you continue to do this, I will BAN you. ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave@ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.org...
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Ryan Davis