That left the room when everyone started worshiping a white guy that drove fast cars and told everyone how stupid they were at a volume of 11.

With modern Ruby tools, one could even quantify the vitro using some simple semantic textual analysis tooling.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:41 Rick DeNatale via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Didn’t Matz used to say something like “Ruby is nice, so Rubyists are nice.”

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Rick DeNatale

> On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>
> On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often
>>> used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the
>>> derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is
>>> entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>
>> I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?
>>>
>>
>> No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq
>
> I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of
> the month tool I should replace rake with?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly
>>> been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years.
>>>
>>
>> Not gonna touch this one either.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -a
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Austin,
>>>>
>>>> My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and
>>>> terrible for a decent community of programmers.
>>>>
>>>> I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the
>>>> fucking name and be less of a dick.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of
>>>>> the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context —
>>>>> probably because he doesn’t like Ryan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
>>>>>
>>>>> -a
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk <
>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes,
>>>>>> there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work
>>>>>> similarly to rakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks
>>>>>> sake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk <
>>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so,
>>>>>>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk <
>>>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a
>>>>>>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe
>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe
>>>>>>>>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools
>>>>>>>>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly
>>>>>>>>> unusable).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is
>>>>>>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler <
>>>>>>>>>>> halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a
>>>>>>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process
>>>>>>>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> have since it was first released.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby
>>>>>>>>>>>>   - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types
>>>>>>>>>>>>   - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data
>>>>>>>>>>>>   - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby
>>>>>>>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I
>>>>>>>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ```sh
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec"
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version
>>>>>>>>>>>> number is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your
>>>>>>>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the
>>>>>>>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with
>>>>>>>>>>> bundle gem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * clog: <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue@gmail.com • austin@halostatue.ca
>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue
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>>>>> --
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>>>
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> Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way.
>
> W.
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