On Dec 17, 2022, at 2:06 PM, Veez Remsik via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:

MINISWAN is right. As is respecting your elders. I had dinner one time with Jim and I’ll always remember it; there are four celebrity moments I’ve had in my career, and Jim is the second.

I always had the greatest respect for Jim, although despite the difference in our hair colors back then he was actually MY junior. Back then the only person who attended Ruby conferences and was older than I, was Monty Williams from Gemstone.