Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(




On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a condescending term EXECUTABLE.

;) 

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe does.

If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly unusable).

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is running vs hyping up old friends projects.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you.
 
We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push"
 

`hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems.

All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and have since it was first released.
I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive.

Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do:

```sh
$ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
$ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec"
$ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version number is
```

It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin.

You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you?

You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle gem.
 

You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you?

Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe.

The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe
 

-a

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos@atmos.org> wrote:
Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of us adopted over the last decade?

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <ruby-talk@ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis <ryand-ruby@zenspider.com> wrote:
hoe version 4.0.0 has been released!

* home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
* code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
* bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
* rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
* doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
* clog: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc>
* other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples>

Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps you
manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a dynamic
plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with
plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc generation,
testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement.

See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins listed
below.

For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf

Changes:

### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20

* 2 minor enhancements:

  * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task.
  * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin.

* 1 bug fix:

  * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs to ensure they come first.
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