Issue #21111 has been updated by katei (Yuta Saito). At first, it’s rare to have a situation where Ruby itself can be built but no C++ compiler is available. The macOS example mentioned in the ticket is an unusual case caused by broken Command Line Tools. Having said that, I agree that the current situation is not ideal. I did some research how other languages with native extension support handle situations where a C++ compiler is missing: - CPython: If no valid C++ compiler is found during the build, CPython guesses the compiler name from the value of CC and sets it as CXX. (e.g. when CC=gcc, then it defaults to CXX=g++) - PHP: If no valid C++ compiler is found, CXX is set to an empty string (CXX=""). CPython’s approach seems worth considering since it has the potential to recover more gracefully.

1. Should CXX just be set to nil? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for false? The latter seems surprising to me.

The current approach of setting CXX=false may seem tricky but actually makes some sense. This allows extensions to check the compiler’s sanity without inspecting CXX directly, e.g., using something like `MakeMakefile["C++"].try_compile ""`.

2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found?

IMO forcing the Ruby build to fail when no C++ compiler is found isn’t ideal since Ruby itself doesn’t depend on C++ at all. ---------------------------------------- Bug #21111: RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] quietly set to "false" when Ruby cannot build C++ programs https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21111#change-111882 * Author: stanhu (Stan Hu) * Status: Open * ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +YJIT +PRISM [arm64-darwin24] * Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- As reported in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-development-kit/-/issues/2222 and https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750, we've had numerous macOS users experience problems with compiling Ruby C++ extensions after upgrading to XCode 16. Users have had to fix their XCode setups and reinstall Ruby when this happens. It turns out that when Ruby can't build a CXX program, it essentially sets CXX to the `false` string. From https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/7317f96727725ca37ddb06011918deb841de371c/c...: ``` AS_IF([test -n "${rb_there_is_in_fact_no_gplusplus_but_autoconf_is_cheating_us}"], [ AC_MSG_NOTICE([Test skipped due to lack of a C++ compiler.]) ], [test -n "${CXX}"], [ RUBY_WERROR_FLAG([ AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether CXXFLAGS is valid]) AC_LANG_PUSH(C++) AC_COMPILE_IFELSE([AC_LANG_PROGRAM([[@%:@include <cstdio>]], [[]])], [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)],[ AC_MSG_RESULT(no) # The message mentions CXXFLAGS, but CPPFLAGS might also affects. AC_MSG_WARN([something wrong with CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS"]) CXX=false ``` This causes C++ extensions, such as `unf_ext`, to fail while attempting to compile native extensions. There are no error messages because `false` is executed, so users only see: ``` Installing unf_ext 0.0.8.2 with native extensions Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext /Users/kerrizor/.rvm/rubies/ruby-3.3.7/bin/ruby extconf.rb checking for -lstdc++... yes creating Makefile current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 clean current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 compiling unf.cc make: *** [unf.o] Error 1 ``` `unf_ext` only checks whether `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is defined, not that it is `false`: https://github.com/knu/ruby-unf_ext/blob/c72a36d0a5ea9fe3950611b0f289fc68a25.... Questions: 1. Should CXX just be set to `nil`? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for `false`? The latter seems surprising to me. 2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found? -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21111 has been updated by schneems (Richard Schneeman). I published this https://schneems.com/2025/03/17/installing-the-sassc-ruby-gem-on-a-mac-a-deb.... I've had a number of people tell me that it was helpful. I think this is a relatively common problem, though I don't know the specifics. I am guessing it has something to do with a mac OS update where one or more developer tools need to be reinstalled (purely a guess).

IMO forcing the Ruby build to fail when no C++ compiler is found isn’t ideal since Ruby itself doesn’t depend on C++ at all.

Agreed. Ideally, this would fail, but closer to where the actual need is i.e. in the native gem compilation. I'm not sure what levers we could pull. We could have rubygems be aware of the `false` and raise perhaps? But I don't think it actually knows what type of native extension is being built, so we would have to push that logic into N different gem compilation libraries that provide helpers (not super familiar here, check my statements). I think if it's not present on the system, then the most correct thing to have in the config file is to omit that line (as any value `nil` or `false` etc. is interpreted as a string literal). But I don't know the downstream impacts i.e. will that produce a failure in an understandable way? Someone could try to reproduce the situation by manually editing their config file to remove that line and then try installing `sassc` and report back with the results, that could help move things along. ---------------------------------------- Bug #21111: RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] quietly set to "false" when Ruby cannot build C++ programs https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21111#change-114190 * Author: stanhu (Stan Hu) * Status: Assigned * Assignee: katei (Yuta Saito) * ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +YJIT +PRISM [arm64-darwin24] * Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- As reported in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-development-kit/-/issues/2222 and https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750, we've had numerous macOS users experience problems with compiling Ruby C++ extensions after upgrading to XCode 16. Users have had to fix their XCode setups and reinstall Ruby when this happens. It turns out that when Ruby can't build a CXX program, it essentially sets CXX to the `false` string. From https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/7317f96727725ca37ddb06011918deb841de371c/c...: ``` AS_IF([test -n "${rb_there_is_in_fact_no_gplusplus_but_autoconf_is_cheating_us}"], [ AC_MSG_NOTICE([Test skipped due to lack of a C++ compiler.]) ], [test -n "${CXX}"], [ RUBY_WERROR_FLAG([ AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether CXXFLAGS is valid]) AC_LANG_PUSH(C++) AC_COMPILE_IFELSE([AC_LANG_PROGRAM([[@%:@include <cstdio>]], [[]])], [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)],[ AC_MSG_RESULT(no) # The message mentions CXXFLAGS, but CPPFLAGS might also affects. AC_MSG_WARN([something wrong with CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS"]) CXX=false ``` This causes C++ extensions, such as `unf_ext`, to fail while attempting to compile native extensions. There are no error messages because `false` is executed, so users only see: ``` Installing unf_ext 0.0.8.2 with native extensions Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext /Users/kerrizor/.rvm/rubies/ruby-3.3.7/bin/ruby extconf.rb checking for -lstdc++... yes creating Makefile current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 clean current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 compiling unf.cc make: *** [unf.o] Error 1 ``` `unf_ext` only checks whether `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is defined, not that it is `false`: https://github.com/knu/ruby-unf_ext/blob/c72a36d0a5ea9fe3950611b0f289fc68a25.... Questions: 1. Should CXX just be set to `nil`? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for `false`? The latter seems surprising to me. 2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found? -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21111 has been updated by stanhu (Stan Hu).

I am guessing it has something to do with a mac OS update where one or more developer tools need to be reinstalled (purely a guess).

FYI, I think this was caused by a bug in Xcode 16.0. I filed a bug with Apple in September 2024 entitled, `clang++ 16.0.0 does not include C++ standard paths by default`. Apple claimed that it was fixed in Xcode 16.1, though I have not confirmed it. As described in https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750#comment:91, it appears the problem only happens to people when: * Xcode Command Line Tools are used * A stale `/Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/usr/include/c++` existed. Removing that stale directory seems to be fastest workaround. Reinstalling the Xcode Command Line Tools was not enough. Installing the full Xcode also resolved the issue. ---------------------------------------- Bug #21111: RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] quietly set to "false" when Ruby cannot build C++ programs https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21111#change-114201 * Author: stanhu (Stan Hu) * Status: Assigned * Assignee: katei (Yuta Saito) * ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +YJIT +PRISM [arm64-darwin24] * Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- As reported in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-development-kit/-/issues/2222 and https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750, we've had numerous macOS users experience problems with compiling Ruby C++ extensions after upgrading to XCode 16. Users have had to fix their XCode setups and reinstall Ruby when this happens. It turns out that when Ruby can't build a CXX program, it essentially sets CXX to the `false` string. From https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/7317f96727725ca37ddb06011918deb841de371c/c...: ``` AS_IF([test -n "${rb_there_is_in_fact_no_gplusplus_but_autoconf_is_cheating_us}"], [ AC_MSG_NOTICE([Test skipped due to lack of a C++ compiler.]) ], [test -n "${CXX}"], [ RUBY_WERROR_FLAG([ AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether CXXFLAGS is valid]) AC_LANG_PUSH(C++) AC_COMPILE_IFELSE([AC_LANG_PROGRAM([[@%:@include <cstdio>]], [[]])], [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)],[ AC_MSG_RESULT(no) # The message mentions CXXFLAGS, but CPPFLAGS might also affects. AC_MSG_WARN([something wrong with CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS"]) CXX=false ``` This causes C++ extensions, such as `unf_ext`, to fail while attempting to compile native extensions. There are no error messages because `false` is executed, so users only see: ``` Installing unf_ext 0.0.8.2 with native extensions Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext /Users/kerrizor/.rvm/rubies/ruby-3.3.7/bin/ruby extconf.rb checking for -lstdc++... yes creating Makefile current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 clean current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 compiling unf.cc make: *** [unf.o] Error 1 ``` `unf_ext` only checks whether `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is defined, not that it is `false`: https://github.com/knu/ruby-unf_ext/blob/c72a36d0a5ea9fe3950611b0f289fc68a25.... Questions: 1. Should CXX just be set to `nil`? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for `false`? The latter seems surprising to me. 2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found? -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21111 has been updated by schneems (Richard Schneeman).

RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] to c++

I like that, a reasonable default. I think that's half the battle. Going the rest of the mile, would involve helping people understand the system when it fails. Do we have any ability to annotate a failure message through rubygems? In a good/better/best world if rubygems knows we're compiling a native extension and it's failing it could `which RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` and other critical paths and emit some warning like

WARNING: `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is set to `c++` but the program `c++` does not appear to be on the OS path. Either install this tool or modify the RbConfig to point to the correct tool name.

Or something along those lines. ---------------------------------------- Bug #21111: RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] quietly set to "false" when Ruby cannot build C++ programs https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21111#change-114256 * Author: stanhu (Stan Hu) * Status: Assigned * Assignee: katei (Yuta Saito) * ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +YJIT +PRISM [arm64-darwin24] * Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- As reported in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-development-kit/-/issues/2222 and https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750, we've had numerous macOS users experience problems with compiling Ruby C++ extensions after upgrading to XCode 16. Users have had to fix their XCode setups and reinstall Ruby when this happens. It turns out that when Ruby can't build a CXX program, it essentially sets CXX to the `false` string. From https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/7317f96727725ca37ddb06011918deb841de371c/c...: ``` AS_IF([test -n "${rb_there_is_in_fact_no_gplusplus_but_autoconf_is_cheating_us}"], [ AC_MSG_NOTICE([Test skipped due to lack of a C++ compiler.]) ], [test -n "${CXX}"], [ RUBY_WERROR_FLAG([ AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether CXXFLAGS is valid]) AC_LANG_PUSH(C++) AC_COMPILE_IFELSE([AC_LANG_PROGRAM([[@%:@include <cstdio>]], [[]])], [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)],[ AC_MSG_RESULT(no) # The message mentions CXXFLAGS, but CPPFLAGS might also affects. AC_MSG_WARN([something wrong with CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS"]) CXX=false ``` This causes C++ extensions, such as `unf_ext`, to fail while attempting to compile native extensions. There are no error messages because `false` is executed, so users only see: ``` Installing unf_ext 0.0.8.2 with native extensions Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext /Users/kerrizor/.rvm/rubies/ruby-3.3.7/bin/ruby extconf.rb checking for -lstdc++... yes creating Makefile current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 clean current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 compiling unf.cc make: *** [unf.o] Error 1 ``` `unf_ext` only checks whether `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is defined, not that it is `false`: https://github.com/knu/ruby-unf_ext/blob/c72a36d0a5ea9fe3950611b0f289fc68a25.... Questions: 1. Should CXX just be set to `nil`? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for `false`? The latter seems surprising to me. 2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found? -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21111 has been updated by hsbt (Hiroshi SHIBATA). Status changed from Assigned to Closed Assignee deleted (katei (Yuta Saito)) We discussed this behavior at https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21508 I understood this issue. But It's hard to fix without another effects. If we removed `CONFIG['CXX']`, the all of gems used C++ need to detect correct C++ compiler. So, we decided to keep the current behavior. This issue caused by Xcode regression. We will consider this again when same issue happened with different compilers or platforms. ---------------------------------------- Bug #21111: RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX'] quietly set to "false" when Ruby cannot build C++ programs https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21111#change-114360 * Author: stanhu (Stan Hu) * Status: Closed * ruby -v: ruby 3.4.1 (2024-12-25 revision 48d4efcb85) +YJIT +PRISM [arm64-darwin24] * Backport: 3.1: UNKNOWN, 3.2: UNKNOWN, 3.3: UNKNOWN, 3.4: UNKNOWN ---------------------------------------- As reported in https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-development-kit/-/issues/2222 and https://trac.macports.org/ticket/70750, we've had numerous macOS users experience problems with compiling Ruby C++ extensions after upgrading to XCode 16. Users have had to fix their XCode setups and reinstall Ruby when this happens. It turns out that when Ruby can't build a CXX program, it essentially sets CXX to the `false` string. From https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/7317f96727725ca37ddb06011918deb841de371c/c...: ``` AS_IF([test -n "${rb_there_is_in_fact_no_gplusplus_but_autoconf_is_cheating_us}"], [ AC_MSG_NOTICE([Test skipped due to lack of a C++ compiler.]) ], [test -n "${CXX}"], [ RUBY_WERROR_FLAG([ AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether CXXFLAGS is valid]) AC_LANG_PUSH(C++) AC_COMPILE_IFELSE([AC_LANG_PROGRAM([[@%:@include <cstdio>]], [[]])], [AC_MSG_RESULT(yes)],[ AC_MSG_RESULT(no) # The message mentions CXXFLAGS, but CPPFLAGS might also affects. AC_MSG_WARN([something wrong with CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS"]) CXX=false ``` This causes C++ extensions, such as `unf_ext`, to fail while attempting to compile native extensions. There are no error messages because `false` is executed, so users only see: ``` Installing unf_ext 0.0.8.2 with native extensions Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext /Users/kerrizor/.rvm/rubies/ruby-3.3.7/bin/ruby extconf.rb checking for -lstdc++... yes creating Makefile current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 clean current directory: /Users/myuser/.rvm/gems/ruby-3.3.7/gems/unf_ext-0.0.8.2/ext/unf_ext make DESTDIR\= sitearchdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 sitelibdir\=./.gem.20250203-69237-u2oi17 compiling unf.cc make: *** [unf.o] Error 1 ``` `unf_ext` only checks whether `RbConfig::CONFIG['CXX']` is defined, not that it is `false`: https://github.com/knu/ruby-unf_ext/blob/c72a36d0a5ea9fe3950611b0f289fc68a25.... Questions: 1. Should CXX just be set to `nil`? Or should all C++ extensions be expected to check for `false`? The latter seems surprising to me. 2. Should there be a way to fail the Ruby build if a valid C++ compiler is not found? -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/