[ruby-core:121713] [Ruby Misc#21281] DevMeeting-2025-05-08

Issue #21281 has been reported by mame (Yusuke Endoh). ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by byroot (Jean Boussier). * [Feature #15408] Actually deprecate `ObjectSpace._id2ref` (byroot) * Matz agreed to deprecate `_id2ref` for Ruby 2.7 but that was never implemented. * I have a PR open to finally do it, but should the deprecation mention the removal timeline, is there one? * The main user is `drb` but there is a PR open to solve it: https://github.com/ruby/drb/pull/31 ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112768 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by tagomoris (Satoshi Tagomori). * Namespace on read * I'm finishing the namespace branch to be ready for merge (disabled by default) https://github.com/tagomoris/ruby/tree/namespace-on-read-classext * and will re-create the feature proposal soon * Current status: * Default (Namespace disabled, YJIT/ZJIT disabled): `make check` and `make exam` passed on my macOS (not checked on CI) * Namespace enabled: `make check` passed but `make exam` failed (the known cause and I'll update the implementation soon) * I hope it'll be merged without further more rebases :P ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112846 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans). * [Feature #21274] Show performance warnings for easily avoidable unnecessary implicit splat allocations (jeremyevans0) * This warning only shows method calls that are allocating unnecessarily, where allocation can be avoided by using a local variable. * This warning found unnecessary allocations in the standard library, rubygems, Rails, and Sequel. * We are currently only using performance warnings for objects with too many shapes. * Is this OK to commit? * [Feature #21287] Remove SortedSet autoload and set/sorted_set (jeremyevans0) * Set is now a core class, and the SortedSet autoload that was in set.rb is now in core. * This autoload only works if the sorted_set gem is installed. * I don't think we should have this autoload, can we remove it? * If so, do we want to deprecate the autoload before removing it? * [Bug #21302] Remove or Fix Set#to_h (jeremyevans0) * The method was not present in stdlib Set, and not previously approved for addition. * However, psych started using it. * The method is not backwards compatible with the previous Set#to_h (implemented by Enumerable#to_h). * I recommend we remove it and fix psych, and have a pull request for that. * If we want to keep it, I have a pull request to fix it, and add tests and documentation. * Do we want to keep Set#to_h and have a return a true-valued hash if not given a block? * [Bug #21280] StringIO#set_encoding warns when backed by chilled string literal (jeremyevans0) * This warning is bogus, as most code using this does not need changes when string literals are frozen. * Issuing bogus warnings prompts for unnecessary code changes and should be avoided. * StringIO#set_encoding already does not set the encoding if the string is frozen, since [Bug #11827] * I recommend we stop setting the underlying encoding for non-frozen strings to avoid the warning. * This could be done for only chilled strings, or for all strings if behavior should be consistent. * Should we make this change, and if so, for chilled strings or for both chilled and unfrozen strings? ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112869 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by mame (Yusuke Endoh). * [Feature#21307] A way to strictly validate time input (mame) * I want to confirm that the current tolerant behavior of Time.new is intentional, and if so, want a strict variant of Time.new. ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112879 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by jhawthorn (John Hawthorn). * [Feature #21267] `respond_to` check in `Class#allocate` is inconsistent * `Class#allocate` does a slow `respond_to` check to try to prevent uninitialized values via `method(:allocate).bind_call` on `MatchData`, `Refinement`, `Module`, `Complex`, `Rational` * The `respond_to` check is easy to trick and bypass. Even if it was more strict, it does not seem to provide additional safety as there are [other ways to construct uninitialized objects](https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21267#note-1). * Is it OK to remove? ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112884 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/

Issue #21281 has been updated by hsbt (Hiroshi SHIBATA). * [Feature #21258] Retire CGI library from Ruby 3.5 * Can I remove CGI library without `CGI::Util` ? * What's the preferred migration process? 1. We keep only cgi/escape feature in Ruby. The current CGI library is removed and depend cgi-util gem. 2. We migrate cgi/escape to other class/module. The current CGI library and cgi/escape are removed. 3. 2 + We provide cgi-util gem for migration with deprecated warning at Ruby 3.5. In next year, we will remove cgi-util gem. ---------------------------------------- Misc #21281: DevMeeting-2025-05-08 https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/21281#change-112936 * Author: mame (Yusuke Endoh) * Status: Open ---------------------------------------- # The next dev meeting **Date: 2025/05/08 13:00-17:00** (JST) Log: *TBD* - Dev meeting *IS NOT* a decision-making place. All decisions should be done at the bug tracker. - Dev meeting is a place we can ask Matz, nobu, nurse and other developers directly. - Matz is a very busy person. Take this opportunity to ask him. If you can not attend, other attendees can ask instead of you (if attendees can understand your issue). - We will write a record of the discussion in the file or to each ticket in English. - All activities are best-effort (keep in mind that most of us are volunteer developers). - The date, time and place of the meeting are scheduled according to when/where we can reserve Matz's time. - *DO NOT* discuss then on this ticket, please. # Call for agenda items If you have a ticket that you want matz and committers to discuss, please post it into this ticket in the following format: ``` * [Ticket ref] Ticket title (your name) * Comment (A summary of the ticket, why you put this ticket here, what point should be discussed, etc.) ``` Example: ``` * [Feature #14609] `Kernel#p` without args shows the receiver (ko1) * I feel this feature is very useful and some people say :+1: so let discuss this feature. ``` - It is recommended to add a comment by 2025/05/05. We hold a preparatory meeting to create an agenda a few days before the dev-meeting. - The format is strict. We'll use [this script to automatically create an markdown-style agenda](https://gist.github.com/mame/b0390509ce1491b43610b9ebb665eb86). We may ignore a comment that does not follow the format. - Your comment is mandatory. We cannot read all discussion of the ticket in a limited time. We appreciate it if you could write a short summary and update from a previous discussion. -- https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/
participants (6)
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byroot (Jean Boussier)
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hsbt (Hiroshi SHIBATA)
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jeremyevans0 (Jeremy Evans)
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jhawthorn (John Hawthorn)
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mame (Yusuke Endoh)
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tagomoris (Satoshi Tagomori)