I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is
making me doubly so. Yes,
there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work
similarly to rakes.
Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks sake.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk <
ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Every woman reading this has fled and left for
Typescript so,
ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk <
ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a
> condescending term EXECUTABLE.
>
> ;)
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe
>> does.
>>
>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe
>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools
>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly
>> unusable).
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is
>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place
>>>>
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler <
>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a
>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem
push"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process
>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of
gems.
>>>>>
>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and
>>>>> have since it was first released.
>>>>>
>>>>> -
https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby
>>>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types
>>>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data
>>>>> -
https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my
ruby
>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I
>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do:
>>>>>
>>>>> ```sh
>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec"
>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version
>>>>> number is
>>>>> ```
>>>>>
>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your
>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my
gems (the
>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern,
then
>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe
plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle
>>>> gem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's
not hoe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -a
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of
>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk
<
>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated.
There’s no
>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the
History.md.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis <
>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * home:
<http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
>>>>>>>> * clog: <
>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc>
>>>>>>>> * other:
<http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It
helps
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes
a
>>>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships
with
>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc
>>>>>>>> generation,
>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the
plugins
>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see:
http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task.
>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov
plugin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend
Hoe.include_dirs
>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first.
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
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