hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> * clog: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps you manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a dynamic plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc generation, testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins listed below. For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf Changes: ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 * 2 minor enhancements: * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. * 1 bug fix: * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs to ensure they come first. ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or…

I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe does. If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly unusable). On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; wrote: > I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is > running vs hyping up old friends projects. > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; wrote: > >> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>> >> >> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >> >> >>> >>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process easy. >>> It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>> >>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>> have since it was first released. >>> >>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>> >>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >> >> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I get >>> ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>> >>> ```sh >>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>> number is >>> ``` >>> >>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>> >>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>> >> >> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle >> gem. >> >> >>> >>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>> >>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>> >> >> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >> >> >>> >>> -a >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of us >>>> adopted over the last decade? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>> >>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps you >>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a dynamic >>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>> generation, >>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>> >>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>> listed >>>>>> below. >>>>>> >>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> Changes: >>>>>> >>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>> >>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs to >>>>>> ensure they come first. >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>> >> -- Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue

Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a condescending term EXECUTABLE. ;) On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe does. > > If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe > that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools > that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly > unusable). > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; wrote: > >> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>> >>> >>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>> >>> >>>> >>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>> >>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>>> have since it was first released. >>>> >>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>> >>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>> >>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I get >>>> ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>> >>>> ```sh >>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>>> number is >>>> ``` >>>> >>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>> >>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>> >>> >>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle >>> gem. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>> >>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>> >>> >>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -a >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of us >>>>> adopted over the last decade? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps you >>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a dynamic >>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>>> listed >>>>>>> below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs to >>>>>>> ensure they come first. >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>> >>> > > -- > Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca > http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue > ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or…

I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes, there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work similarly to rakes. Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks sake. On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: > Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, > ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-( > > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: > >> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a >> condescending term EXECUTABLE. >> >> ;) >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >>> does. >>> >>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe >>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools >>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly >>> unusable). >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>>>> >>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>>>>> have since it was first released. >>>>>> >>>>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>>> >>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>>>> >>>>>> ```sh >>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>>>>> number is >>>>>> ``` >>>>>> >>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>>> bundle gem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>>> >>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -a >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of >>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs >>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first. >>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>> >> ______________________________________________ >> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >> ruby-talk info -- >> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… > > ______________________________________________ > ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > ruby-talk info -- > https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or…

Austin, My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and terrible for a decent community of programmers. I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the fucking name and be less of a dick. On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: > I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of > the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context — > probably because he doesn’t like Ryan. > > I’m sorry that he’s so bitter. > > -a > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < > ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: > >> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. >> Yes, there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes >> work similarly to rakes. >> >> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks >> sake. >> >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < >> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, >>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a >>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE. >>>> >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >>>>> does. >>>>> >>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of >>>>> Hoe that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other >>>>> tools that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly >>>>> unusable). >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, >>>>>>>> and have since it was first released. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ```sh >>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the >>>>>>>> version number is >>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>>>>> bundle gem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many >>>>>>>>> of us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s >>>>>>>>>> no 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It >>>>>>>>>>> helps you >>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the >>>>>>>>>>> plugins listed >>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: >>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend >>>>>>>>>>> Hoe.include_dirs to ensure they come first. >>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>> ruby-talk info -- >>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >> >> ______________________________________________ >> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >> ruby-talk info -- >> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… > > > > -- > Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca > http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue > ______________________________________________ > ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > ruby-talk info -- > https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or…

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool.

Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?

I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years.

On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk &lt;ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >> I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often >> used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the >> derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is >> entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool. >> > > https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html > > I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. > > >> >> Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term? >> > > No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of the month tool I should replace rake with? > > >> >> I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly >> been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years. >> > > Not gonna touch this one either. > > >> >> -a >> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; wrote: >> >>> Austin, >>> >>> My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and >>> terrible for a decent community of programmers. >>> >>> I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the >>> fucking name and be less of a dick. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of >>>> the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context — >>>> probably because he doesn’t like Ryan. >>>> >>>> I’m sorry that he’s so bitter. >>>> >>>> -a >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < >>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes, >>>>> there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes work >>>>> similarly to rakes. >>>>> >>>>> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks >>>>> sake. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < >>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, >>>>>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < >>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a >>>>>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >>>>>>>> does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe >>>>>>>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools >>>>>>>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly >>>>>>>> unusable). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>>>>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>>>>>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>>>>>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>>>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>>>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and >>>>>>>>>>> have since it was first released. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>>>>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I >>>>>>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ```sh >>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version >>>>>>>>>>> number is >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your >>>>>>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the >>>>>>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then >>>>>>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>>>>>>>> bundle gem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of >>>>>>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins >>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see: http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________________________ >>>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org >>>> ruby-talk info -- >>>> https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com • austin(a)halostatue.ca >> http://www.halostatue.ca/ • http://twitter.com/halostatue >> > ______________________________________________ > ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org > ruby-talk info -- https://ml.ruby-lang.org/mailman3/postorius/lists/ruby-talk.ml.ruby-lang.or… Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. 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