Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining
gems w/ a condescending
term EXECUTABLE.
;)
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices
worse than what Hoe does.
If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of Hoe
that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or other tools
that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find it…utterly
unusable).
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org> wrote:
> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is
> running vs hyping up old friends projects.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org> wrote:
>
>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place
>>
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you.
>>>
>>
>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a
>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push"
>>
>>
>>>
>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process easy.
>>> It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious number of gems.
>>>
>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe, and
>>> have since it was first released.
>>>
>>> -
https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby
>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types
>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data
>>> -
https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs
>>>
>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby
>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive.
>>
>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when I get
>>> ready for release, after updating the version, I basically do:
>>>
>>> ```sh
>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec"
>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the version
>>> number is
>>> ```
>>>
>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email your
>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most of my gems (the
>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing concern, then
>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too, with a hoe plugin.
>>>
>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you?
>>>
>>
>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with bundle
>> gem.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you?
>>>
>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe.
>>>
>>
>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not
hoe
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -a
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many of us
>>>> adopted over the last decade?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated. There’s no
>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the History.md.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis <
>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
>>>>>> * clog: <
>>>>>>
https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc>
>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It helps
you
>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a
dynamic
>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships with
>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc
>>>>>> generation,
>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the plugins
>>>>>> listed
>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For extra goodness, see:
http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task.
>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * 1 bug fix:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend Hoe.include_dirs to
>>>>>> ensure they come first.
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