On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk
<ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote:
On Fri,
Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often
used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the
derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake, it is
entirely appropriate to call it another gardening tool.
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?
No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq
I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of
the month tool I should replace rake with?
I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly
been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years.
Not gonna touch this one either.
>
> -a
>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org> wrote:
>
>> Austin,
>>
>> My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and
>> terrible for a decent community of programmers.
>>
>> I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change the
>> fucking name and be less of a dick.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name of
>>> the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of context —
>>> probably because he doesn’t like Ryan.
>>>
>>> I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
>>>
>>> -a
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk <
>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so. Yes,
>>>> there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it. Hoes
work
>>>> similarly to rakes.
>>>>
>>>> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks
>>>> sake.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk <
>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so,
>>>>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk <
>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a
>>>>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler
<halostatue(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what
Hoe
>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation
of Hoe
>>>>>>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem`
or other tools
>>>>>>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find
it…utterly
>>>>>>> unusable).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby
community is
>>>>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place
>>>>>>>>>
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler <
>>>>>>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do
anything for you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems
but this is a
>>>>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem"
"gem push"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the
release process
>>>>>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a
prodigious number of gems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer
for use Hoe, and
>>>>>>>>>> have since it was first released.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby
>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types
>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data
>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something
you've touched in my ruby
>>>>>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it
alive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this,
but when I
>>>>>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the
version, I basically do:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ```sh
>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
>>>>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and
gemspec"
>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or
whatever the version
>>>>>>>>>> number is
>>>>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows,
even email your
>>>>>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled
that in most of my gems (the
>>>>>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be
an ongoing concern, then
>>>>>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts
*there*, too, with a hoe plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why
would you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is
solved with
>>>>>>>>> bundle gem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would
you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default
and use hoe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on
what's best and it's not hoe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem”
command so many of
>>>>>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin
Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe
has been updated. There’s no
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade
path in the History.md.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan
Davis <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * home:
<http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * code:
<https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * bugs:
<https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc:
<http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * doco:
<http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * clog: <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * other:
<http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for
project Rakefiles. It helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your
project and includes a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy
extensibility. Hoe ships with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project
tasks including rdoc
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and
announcement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri
Hoe` or any of the plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see:
http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled
minitest/test_task.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added
(simple)cov plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue,
prepend Hoe.include_dirs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way.
W.
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