[ruby-talk:444076] Re: [ANN] hoe 4.0.0 Released

On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk <

On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler &lt;halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt;

>> >> I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are often >> used with rakes. As far as I know, Ruby tool is not named after the >> derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake,

I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of the month tool I should replace rake with? > > >> >> I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have mostly >> been out of the in-person community for most of the last ten years. >> > > Not gonna touch this one either. > > >> >> -a >> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt;

>> >>> Austin, >>> >>> My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and >>> terrible for a decent community of programmers. >>> >>> I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change

>>> fucking name and be less of a dick. >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk < >>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name

>>>> the project, shit all over it, read a blog post entirely out of

>>>> probably because he doesn’t like Ryan. >>>> >>>> I’m sorry that he’s so bitter. >>>> >>>> -a >>>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk < >>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly so.

>>>>> there’s a double entendre there, but it’s up to you to make it.

>>>>> similarly to rakes. >>>>> >>>>> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?! Fucks >>>>> sake. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk < >>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript so, >>>>>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down... :-( >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk < >>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/ a >>>>>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <

>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse than what Hoe >>>>>>>> does. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a derivation of

>>>>>>>> that I maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or

>>>>>>>> that I have tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find

>>>>>>>> unusable). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the ruby community is >>>>>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe &lt;atmos(a)atmos.org&gt; >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a terrible place >>>>>>>>>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin Ziegler < >>>>>>>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really do anything for you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working systems but this is a >>>>>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle gem" "gem push" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins, makes the release process >>>>>>>>>>> easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary maintainer for use Hoe,

>>>>>>>>>>> have since it was first released. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -

>>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data >>>>>>>>>>> - https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used something you've touched in my ruby >>>>>>>>>> usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do with this, but when

>>>>>>>>>>> get ready for release, after updating the version, I

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ```sh >>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec >>>>>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest and gemspec" >>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 # or whatever the

>>>>>>>>>>> number is >>>>>>>>>>> ``` >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread shows, even email

>>>>>>>>>>> announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most

>>>>>>>>>>> value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing

>>>>>>>>>>> it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too,

>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but why would you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern. This is solved with >>>>>>>>>> bundle gem. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why would you? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by default and use hoe. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on what's best and it's not hoe >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey Donohoe <

>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the “bundle gem” command so many

>>>>>>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM Austin Ziegler via

>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like seattlerb/hoe has been updated.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the upgrade path in the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan Davis < >>>>>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been released! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * home: <http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * code: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * bugs: <https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * doco: <http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * clog: < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * other: <http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper for project Rakefiles. It

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release your project and includes a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for easy extensibility. Hoe ships

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual project tasks including rdoc >>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging, deployment, and announcement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help. Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> below. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled minitest/test_task. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin and added (simple)cov plugin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path issue, prepend

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com •

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Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way. W. -- There are only two hard things in Computer Science: cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors. ______________________________________________ ruby-talk mailing list -- ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org To unsubscribe send an email to ruby-talk-leave(a)ml.ruby-lang.org ruby-talk info --