17 Dec
2022
17 Dec
'22
7:06 p.m.
MINISWAN is right. As is respecting your elders. I had dinner one time with
Jim and I’ll always remember it; there are four celebrity moments I’ve had
in my career, and Jim is the second.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 12:58 PM Walter Lee Davis via ruby-talk <
ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Matz Is Nice So We Are Nice (MINSWAN) is how a lot of
people have tried to
live their lives here (and elsewhere). Or as my mom used to say, "If you
don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".
I also have the opposite (perhaps contrarian) opinion about Rake being
dead. I had the privilege to meet the late Jim Weirich several times, and
once, to play guitar to his ukulele in a pick-up band at RailsConf. If
anyone is in line for canonization for their contributions to the Ruby
community, Jim would be very near the beginning of that line. And because I
am a sentimental sort, I have gone so far as to restore the Rake shim to
all my Rails projects, so I can continue to use `rake [db:migrate or
whatever]` in favor of `rails ...` as the working command for most
command-line tasks in those projects. I try to respect my elders,
particularly when they have been so good to me over the years, and given so
generously to the commons.
Walter
process
helps
On Dec 17, 2022, at 1:41 PM, Rick DeNatale via
ruby-talk <
ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
Didn’t Matz used to say something like “Ruby is nice, so Rubyists are
nice.”
——
Rick DeNatale
> On Dec 17, 2022, at 11:04 AM, Wolf via ruby-talk <
ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>
> On 2022-12-16 22:42:08 -0500, Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk wrote:
>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:38 PM Austin Ziegler <halostatue(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t see any reason to have the name changed, because hoes are
often
>>> used with rakes. As far as I know,
Ruby tool is not named after the
>>> derogatory term, and when a tool like this is *built on top of* Rake,
it is
>>> entirely appropriate to call it
another gardening tool.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>
>> I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Or are you annoyed at rake because rake2 is also a derogatory term?
>>>
>>
>> No one uses rake anymore except for class methods in sidekiq
>
> I must be somewhat out of touch then. What is the current flavor of
> the month tool I should replace rake with?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I won’t speak toward Ryan’s behaviour in the community as I have
mostly
>>> been out of the in-person community
for most of the last ten years.
>>>
>>
>> Not gonna touch this one either.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -a
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:08 PM Corey Donohoe <atmos(a)atmos.org>
wrote:
>>>
>>>> Austin,
>>>>
>>>> My point was that hoe and the way it was presented is antiquated and
>>>> terrible for a decent community of programmers.
>>>>
>>>> I know ryan. I met you but you prolly won't remember me. Just change
the
>>>> fucking name and be less of a
dick.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 9:04 PM Austin Ziegler via ruby-talk <
>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just reported a minor bug, then Corey decided to misread the name
of
>>>>> the project, shit all over
it, read a blog post entirely out of
context —
>>>>> probably because he doesn’t
like Ryan.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry that he’s so bitter.
>>>>>
>>>>> -a
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:58 PM Veez Remsik via ruby-talk <
>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was feeling cantankerous and this thread is making me doubly
so.
Yes,
>>>>>> there’s a double entendre
there, but it’s up to you to make it.
Hoes work
>>>>>> similarly to rakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can we not just have a release announcement without a fight?!
Fucks
>>>>>> sake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:54 PM ara.t.howard via ruby-talk <
>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every woman reading this has fled and left for Typescript
so,
>>>>>>> ultimately, it's kinna sad, watching it all burn down...
:-(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 18:47 Corey Donohoe via ruby-talk <
>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apologies for the antagonism, enjoy maintaining gems w/
a
>>>>>>>> condescending term EXECUTABLE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:40 PM Austin Ziegler <
halostatue(a)gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’d encourage you to stop promoting practices worse
than what
Hoe
>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I replace Hoe in my projects, it will be with a
derivation
of Hoe
>>>>>>>>> that I
maintain, not with garbage generated by `bundle gem` or
other tools
>>>>>>>>> that I have
tried (I’ve tried to use `gemsmith`, and find
it…utterly
>>>>>>>> unusable).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:34 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd encourage you to try what the rest of the
ruby community is
>>>>>>>>> running vs hyping up old friends projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:18 PM Corey Donohoe
<atmos(a)atmos.org
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is shitty because it comes from a
terrible place
>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.zenspider.com/ruby/2006/10/unattended-hoes.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 6:13 PM Austin
Ziegler <
>>>>>>>>>>> halostatue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely: `bundle gem` doesn’t really
do anything for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We're prolly both biased towards working
systems but this is a
>>>>>>>>>>> grossly misinformed statement. "bundle
gem" "gem push"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> `hoe`, with a few judicious plugins,
makes the release >>>>>>>>>>>>
easy. It was created by Ryan because he has a prodigious
number of gems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All of the gems that I am the primary
maintainer for use
Hoe, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
have since it was first released.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/KineticCafe/app_identity/tree/main/ruby
>>>>>>>>>>>>
- https://github.com/mime-types/ruby-mime-types
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/mime-types/mime-types-data
>>>>>>>>>>>> -
https://github.com/halostatue/diff-lcs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm certain that I've used
something you've touched in my
ruby
>>>>>>>>>>>
usage, but this is keeping it alive for keeping it alive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, there’s nothing that I *couldn’t* do
with this, but
when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>
get ready for release, after updating the version, I
basically do:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ```sh
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake git:manifest gemspec
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ git commit -am "Update manifest
and gemspec"
>>>>>>>>>>>> $ bundle exec rake release VERSION=2.3 #
or whatever the
version
>>>>>>>>>>>>
number is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ```
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It can, as the first post in this thread
shows, even email
your
>>>>>>>>>>>>
announcement to ruby-core, but I have disabled that in most
of my gems (the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
value has dropped). If Twitter were likely to be an ongoing
concern, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>
it might be possible to automate such posts *there*, too,
with a hoe plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can write your gemspec manually, but
why would you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You obviously don't use anything modern.
This is solved with
>>>>>>>>>>> bundle gem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You could depend on the Gemfile, but why
would you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Far better to just do the right thing by
default and use hoe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "right" thing is to reflect on
what's best and it's not
hoe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 5:47 PM Corey
Donohoe <
atmos(a)atmos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any reason to use this over the
“bundle gem” command so
many of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> us adopted over the last decade?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 11:56 AM
Austin Ziegler via
ruby-talk <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruby-talk(a)ml.ruby-lang.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't look like
seattlerb/hoe has been updated.
There’s no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0 tag and no details on the
upgrade path in the
History.md.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM Ryan
Davis <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ryand-ruby(a)zenspider.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoe version 4.0.0 has been
released!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * home:
<http://www.zenspider.com/projects/hoe.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * code:
<https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * bugs:
<https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/issues>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * rdoc:
<http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * doco:
<http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * clog: <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://github.com/seattlerb/hoe/blob/master/History.rdoc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * other:
<http://github.com/jbarnette/hoe-plugin-examples
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoe is a rake/rubygems helper
for project Rakefiles. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manage, maintain, and release
your project and includes a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in system allowing for
easy extensibility. Hoe ships
with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plug-ins for all your usual
project tasks including rdoc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing, packaging,
deployment, and announcement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See class rdoc for help.
Hint: `ri Hoe` or any of the
plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For extra goodness, see:
http://docs.seattlerb.org/hoe/Hoe.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Changes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ### 3.26.0 / 2022-10-20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 2 minor enhancements:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Added warning to bundled
minitest/test_task.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Removed dead rcov plugin
and added (simple)cov plugin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * 1 bug fix:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Fixed test task load path
issue, prepend
Hoe.include_dirs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to ensure they come first.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ •
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>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ •
http://twitter.com/halostatue
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Austin Ziegler • halostatue(a)gmail.com •
austin(a)halostatue.ca
>>>>>>>>> http://www.halostatue.ca/ •
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> Also, this whole thread is simply amazing. In the bad way.
>
> W.
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